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Dat valt inderdaad nog te bezien. wat hoeiiii terecht opmerkt is nu teruggang in de welvaart, dat staat wel vast. Die 40 miljard van dat ESM, of hoe het ook heten mag is niet geheel in cash: ca 5 m. en de rest 35 m. in garanties. Maar dat neemt niet weg dat het risico bestaat dat het Nederland een hoop geld gaat kosten. door Griekenland links- of rechtsom en wat er nog vanuit Spanje in de pijpleiding zit. Want het zal niet alleen bij Bankia blijven, kijk maar naar al die autonome regio's die zijn ook al zo goed als bankroet. Om van Cyprus nog maar te zwijgen. In dat licht kan je zeggen dat het experiment mislukt is.<br \/>\r\n Nederland kan niet zelfstandig uit de euro door onze economische structuur die op Duitsland en de export leunt, maar kan wel bijvoorbeeld samen met genoemd land, Finland en Luxemburg in een op de D mark gebaseerde munt. Dan kunnen de andere landen samen in de Euro blijven. De Euro is toch zo,n success? 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ben van mening dat het geen slechte zaak zou zijn als de schulden worden ingelost, door iedereen. Maar de vraag is natuurlijk hoe. Er zijn zoveel wegen die naar Rome leiden. Maar er is niets concreets, alle partijen roepen iets en hiermee blijft het onrustig en wordt er niet verkocht of gekocht. Mensen gaan nu gewoon ook duur huren.<br \/>\r\nUiteindelijk gaat het de overheid erom te bezuinigen en niet de woning markt te stimuleren. Want wanneer de aftrekt afgeschaft of beperkt wordt en de banken de strengere regels nog strenger maken, gaat er niemand meer verhuizen, dus gaat het nog meer op slot. Ik zie zelf een aantal mogelijkheden. Staffel is een optie.<br \/>\r\n<br \/>\r\n\u20ac 0 Tot \u20ac 289.000 = 100% aftrek<br \/>\r\n\u20ac 289.000 tot \u20ac 325.000 = 75 % aftrek<br \/>\r\n\u20ac 325.000 tot \u20ac 350.000 = 50 % Aftrek<br \/>\r\n\u20ac 350.000 tot \u20ac 375.000 = 25 % aftrek<br \/>\r\n\u20ac 375.000 tot \u20ac 400.000 = 15 % aftrek<br \/>\r\n En alles daar boven geen aftrek meer.<br \/>\r\nMensen die een tweede woning hebben die ze niet kwijt raken kun je hier meteen in mee nemen, want het gaat om de totale hypotheek schuld.<br \/>\r\nOok zorg je hiermee gelijk dat de hoge inkomens die ook in dure huizen worden minder aftrek hebben.<br \/>\r\n( zo een soort staffel kun je ook op de AOW toepassen ) <br \/>\r\n<br \/>\r\nVoor wat betreft de aflossingsvrije hypotheek, ja dat was in de tijd een parade paardje van de bank, en nu willen ook de banken er eigenlijk wel weer vanaf. En daar mee vind ik dat de banken op de blaren moeten zitten en niet de consument. 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Redactie,<br \/>\r\n<br \/>\r\nDe laatste 10 jaar ben ik een trouwe kijker van jullie tvzender, in deze jaren heb ik alle financiele ontwikkelingen goed bijgehouden. 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Redactie,<br \/>\r\n<br \/>\r\nDe laatste 10 jaar ben ik een trouwe kijker van jullie tvzender, in deze jaren heb ik alle financiele ontwikkelingen goed bijgehouden. De laatste 10 jaar ben ik all round financieel adviseur geweest en mijn ambities zijn om te werken als investment manager. in de afgelopen jaren heb ik elk jaar een nieuwe studie gedaan. Zoals Commerciele economie - financial service management - WFT leven - beleggen - hypotheek - schade - basis - comsumptief krediet - cambridge young enterprise - PP1\/ PP2 etc.. Door alle studies ben ik de handelswereld\/financiele wereld anders gaan zien. In mijn optiek zijn wij met zijn alle de draad goed kwijt geraakt. Alle bedachte financiele instrumenten zijn deel segmenten van een groot geheel. Echter is de basis van het grote geheel zoek geraakt. Graag zou ik om deze reden mijn visie met u willen delen.<br \/>\r\n<br \/>\r\nDe hele geld en kapitaalmarkt structuur is gebaseerd op economische groei en populatie groei van de sterke (westerse) economie. Europa heeft altijd de rentes betaald met deze groei en met het stelen van kapitaal van andere landen (lopende rekening\/import-export). Momenteel is er een stagnatie, waardoor de gevraagde rentes uit het verleden en de de huidige rentes niet betaald kunnen worden. Puur omdat de kapitaalwaarde van deze rentes nooit in de economie heeft gezeten. Niemand durft de sprong te maken om het systeem totaal anders te berekenen. Er moet evenveel kapitaal uitstaan dan er verdiend KAN worden! In mijn ogen zal er er eveneel schulden uit moeten staan dan alle BBP waarde van alle landen bij elkaar vermenigvuldigt met de gemiddelde arbeisjaren van een persoon in dat land. Daarbij zullen ook alle betaalde rentes + de te betalen rentes over deze gemiddelde aankomende arbeidsjaren als schulden uit moeten staan. Dit betekend dat sommige landen geld mogen bijdrukken zonder dat zij hier uberhaupt ooit rente voor moeten betalen. Alle commoties over de staatschulden van Ierland, Italie, Spanje, Portugal... Is allemaal achterhaald wanneer de financielestructuur op deze maner wordt aangepast. We rekenen nog steeds met systemen van de tijd wanneer er GOUD het handelsmiddel was. Alles wat ik momenteel leer in mijn Universiteit boeken is zo achterhaald. Door onze populatie groei en vraag naar nieuwe ontwikkelingen heeft dit systeem het overleeft. Maar wanneer iedereen tevreden zou zijn met zijn baan en de spullen en de activiteiten wat hij kan uitvoeren. Valt het systeem volledig in elkaar!<br \/>\r\nMakkelijke manier uitgelegd:<br \/>\r\nBekijk het op een kleine Macro manier: 10 mensen met verschillende beroepen zoals boer.. klusjesman...bouwer... verzorger... etc.., 1 bank, 1 pensf, 1 zorgv etc... probeer eens geld te krijgen in deze economie. Dat moet geleend worden! De Bank leent dit van de NB\/ECB en vraagt rente aan de mensen\/bedrijven. Wanneer er niet meer bij wordt geleend of wanneer er geen mensen meer bijkomen zal deze economie meteen kapot gaan! De rentes kunnen namelijk niet meer betaald worden. Op deze manier zit ook de totale economie in elkaar. <br \/>\r\n<br \/>\r\nHet laatste wat wij moeten doen is nog meer rentes gaan vragen van landen\/banken die al in de problemen zitten. Wanneer een land in nood verkeerd kunnen zij alleen maar dure obligatie leningen aangaan of geld lenen van de ECB (gelukkig is deze nu al elke keer de rentes aan het verlagen). Dit is het zelfde als een zwerver 10000 euro lenen en daar een belachelijke hoge rente voor vragen. Oplossing: Zoek uit hoeveel geld aan "schuld (gedrukt geld)" in de wereld uit moet staan. Bekijk dit dan per land zoals al eerder vernoemd. Veel landen zullen merken dat er nog een overschot aan geld bijgedrukt moet worden om dit te stabiliseren. Laat de landen dit bijdrukken en middels subsidies vanuit de overheid verdelen over de marktsegmenten, of vergroot je oeverheidsorgaan en verdeel dit geld onder je werknemers. Stel dat landen dan nog een overschot hebben aan geleend geld. Laat deze dan doormiddel van senior debt terugbetalen aan de geldeisers... het is onmogelijk om dit allemaal nu aan jullie duidelijk te maken. Hopelijk komt de boodschap wel aan, dat de manier van schulden berekenen en de rentes die gevraagd worden niet kloppen. Het probleem is dat door rentes bijna altijd alleen de rijke rijker worden. Het afschrijven van de schulden van Griekenland is een zeer postieve ontwikkeling. Alleen hier moeten niet de private bedrijven de dupe van zijn. In mijn optiek zal de ECB heier geheel voor moeten opdraaien. Dan is er niets aan de hand. Laat ze maar gratis geld weggeven waar niemand last van heeft. Dit zal in de toekomst veel vaker moeten (en vast gaan) gebeuren. Misschien is duitsland wel zo rijk doordat zij zich zelf hebben gekapitaliseerd door hun eigen geld makkelijk bij te drukken en dit niet te vewerken in de boeken... Ooit aangedacht??? 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